- Politically Incorrect:"The war on terror is real because America started bombing the M.E. with G.H.W.B. in office and hasn't let up. That's close to 2 generations of Arabs who grew up learning to hate America for the unnecessary devastation we caused for weak or no reasoning. It's the reason why other countries like Iran, N. Korea make such a strong stand and make threats. We the American Federal Government doesn't know how to mind our own fn business, they think their greasing the wheels of prosperity with their weapons of mass destruction. The M.E. is the dumbest shit the U.S. Federal Government has ever pulled. We don't need to be their for any reason, we have plenty of natural resources, it's nothing but imperialistic insanity. Just think if America had put those resources into fighting the Drug Cartels of Mexico and stopping the illegal immigration and the Drug trafficking. We've had a bunch of crooks running our Federal Government for too long. Look at the support G.W.B. got. People died for this POS, and it was all a lie."
- Chris Moses:"As we can see, from all of the VA hospitals, it must be so wonderful to get all that wonderful healthcare. SMH... Being a military person in this country is signing up to be a mercenary for the Corporations and banks. No thanks! My son will NEVER join the military. I want my son to be intelligent... Not a tool for the Plutonomy."
- Cade Johnson:"I find it disgusting that an E-1 makes less than 20k a year. I don't care if they get EVERYTHING else provided (which they don't) that is an insulting amount of money to pay a person you could whimsically order into the muzzle of a kalashnikov at any given time."
- snipies:"When you come home with PTSD, homeless, unable to function in society, the very people who are all "Support Our Troops" will suddenly be "Get a job, you freeloader". This F-ed country doesn't deserve your service."
- Roger:"The current military leadership is spineless and so politically correct that we should discourage our sons and daughters from joining until new leadership that actually support the troops. Layoffs on the battlefield, prosecuting a soldier for reporting and afghani police chief as a child molester, not allowing any form of christian values to be displayed but Islam is given complete freedom. Todays military leadership is spineless. Have I mentioned the VA scandal and what they've done to veterans? Don't join. I am a veteran 1968-72".
- Charles Davy:"First of all American freedom is not in some foreign country and invading other parts of the world, destabilize the regions and create security risks for America. So any way after WWII was not for American freedom or security. Just to get that out of the way.1) Free medical care in the military is a moot point given how many VA scandals have come out.
2) You have a good chance of getting mentally or physically disable being in the military. Which basically messes up the rest of your life.
3) You belong to the government and lose a lot of your rights. Mess up at a job and you get fired. Mess up in the military and you get dragged in front of a tribunal which means dishonorable discharge up to execution.
4) Dishonorable discharge will ruin the rest of your life and prevent you from getting another job.
5) The government can change the terms of employment at any time and there is no way to fight it from forcing you to return your signing bonus (which is actually happening now for the Iraq war veterans) to forcing you to stay past your active deployment period.
6) If you die or get severely injured your dependents are going to be in trouble.
Ultimately going to the military is stupid and there is nothing noble about it. Any physically abled, average intelligence man without kids can work their way up from poverty to the middle class through full time jobs at min. wage and community college/trade programs. The military offers no benefits other life paths don't offer and poses a significantly higher risk.
Yes. I weighted the pros and cons of college, trade school, and military before I chose one. The military lost by such a large margin it was unreal.
Unless you have 2 kids, a wife with not job, and no college education/trade there is no reason to join the military. It is a suckers game.
The military has significantly smaller returns on investment than any other career path and the only time it is "worth it" is in the situation I listed above or if you place an incredibly high importance on the experience of the military itself.
You aren't being patriotic for joining the army, you are another poor kid fighting for the rich. American freedom wasn't in the middle east."
- will marinero:"Here are some other good reasons not to join the military:
1) As a private, your starting salary will be around $18,500 per year. This works out to an hourly rate of $8.90 which is below minimum wage in many states. You can be forced to work long hours with no overtime, something that would be illegal in most civilian jobs.
2) Enlisted military personnel have levels of job stress that far exceed any other profession.
3) Your work environment may involve frequently being surrounded by large groups of people who hate you and want to kill you. Unlike most jobs, those people will have the resources and training to act upon their hatred -- and very little moral or legal impediment to doing so.
4) Military members face higher rates of suicide and depression than other professions.
5) There is a reasonable likelihood you will be asked to go kill people in other countries for reasons that are not made evident to you, and have much more to do with protecting business interests and accumulation of political power than any bullshit you are told about defending your country, protecting freedom and spreading democracy.
6) You may, at any time, be separated from your family for lengthy periods.
7) Nearly every other profession, you can leave at any time for any reason. In the military, if you try to quit, you may be jailed, put on trial and executed.
8) Even after leaving the military, you can be called back, forced to leave your job and family behind for perhaps years at a time, causing great financial and personal stress.
9) What benefit can the military offer you that is worth your life? Worth the risk of spending a lifetime crippled or disfigured? Worth the mental anguish of seeing your friends killed in front of you... and seeing the faces of those that you have killed? What price could you put on that?"
- JC:"We are taught to have pride and honor about who we are and what we do, and never lie, cheat, or steal, and keep our honor clean. If you're going to make a list like this, at least don't mislead people...I was mislead and read every contract that I signed, but these people should know when they sign the contract, they're at the mercy of certain types of people.
Now I will list the true version of your list, so a least we draw the real leaders to us. People, read this:
1. There are 2 versions of the GI bill which you can choose: the 9/11 GI bill, and the Montgomery GI bill. The first covers everything but can be removed at anytime, the second requires you to pay a $1200 buy in and doesn't pay for everything but will usually give more money than the other.
2. It's skewed because although you get vacation time you have to explain everything and basically beg for it in formal letter format, even then they can deny you for any reason. You can't actually do what you what, you can only do what they allow. Your time is not your own.
Ex. You can't go on vacation far away because they want you close by. They will deny your request until you give up and take a "stay at home" vacation.
Also, many companies offer a good amount of vacation. So this statement is false.
3. If you want to travel the world, then the military can place you where they want you to be. If you actually care about where you're going, then you should not join. Instead get a different job, save up, and you can go wherever you want without having to say 'please'; be the one that lies about where you're going, and you won't have to worry about vacation anymore...because you'll be on restriction status soon. Probably more on that later...
4. Free healthcare? My economics teacher once told me, " There is no such thing as a free meal." You pay for it before you pay even gets to you, and you have no choice in the matter. And yeah, you also pay for your housing, and food in this fashion. Now before people, go off saying it's horrible healthcare, let me say before the military I didn't have healthcare insurance some months, and lived from "free" clinics. As far as healthcare goes... Tricare is "okay" healthcare. I'm okay with it, but it's definitely better than before.
5. Retirement. I'm just going to say it straight up: you get treated as a gardener/janitor for the first 2-3 years, and I'm not going to lie like the article, it's going to suck. And you'll be used for filler people to things you don't want to go to, and stand in a lot of formations, be under people half a year older, twice as pompous, and entitled. Even after all that, right now we're going into peacetime and downsizing, if you join now you'll be lucky to make it to 15 years. Even then if you go for 20 years, by the time you retire at 38 you'll look well older than that due to dealing with stress and other peoples problems. All career servicemen I've seen have gray hairs, dull eyes, and some develop sleeping issues. Although you can live off retirement, depending on your job when you do retire, you might not have any other experience in other fields and find yourself wondering who you were before...
Now that all that has been cleared up, I'd like to post actual reasons to join (for a least 1 contract):
Though there are some restrictions, the money to become more marketable is undeniable. Besides that, if you pick a job that helps you learn a trade you can usually work in that trade outside of the military by verifying your experience level in a field to companies by using the USMAP program, and then use that job to propel yourself to bigger and better things (college).
If you simply lack courage to figure out what you want to do with your life/are indecisive, join the Marines and I guarantee you will not have problems deciding what you want for yourself after that contract. When you are put under certain conditions, you can reach a moment of clarity where you know exactly what you want and will most definitely have the determination to follow through. When your first contract is up and you decide to leave, you'll feel like nothing can stop you from soaring above all others.
Some people in military branches will skate by for a long time without knowing the first thing about leading people. Sadly, some of them are in positions of power because they've waited around like trees and got there by time in service (shouldn't be a thing), this is bad because they usually decrease unit cohesion and decrease productivity. Only people that have been promoted meritoriously are actual leaders whereas TIS people are only "leaders" because of their rank.
Even sadder, they usually do 20 year careers because they are in charge and get good pay. But if you truly go out of your way to learn the tricks of the trade about bringing people together, you can become a force to be reckoned with anywhere. After all the military is individual wills combined to accomplish incredible feats. Leadership is more important out in the real world, companies look for confident, strong leaders because they can inspire people to work together. And that's why it should not be downplayed by other people as a "minor" aspect of the military.
And those, friends are the real reasons to join the military, specifically the truth, because I wouldn't want anyone under me to feel like they were mislead. I tell you this because if you still want to join, I applaud you're conviction and hope you go far, you are who I want to join my Corps."
"We are living in a time when militarism has polluted almost every aspect of our leisure time from film, television, music, sports, news, charities and of course politics. These days simply seeing a camouflage pattern against our country’s flag is enough to send the sheep-like masses into a jingoistic frenzy. These mindless drones fail to understand however that every time they watch a pro-war movie, clap at a flyover, or emblazon their car window with a “Help For Heroes” sticker they have effectively become a promoter and perpetuator of bloodshed and conflict.
On top of this puffery from the public, the Army too are incessantly marketing themselves. Army recruitment advertisements have ranged from “Are You Doing All You Can?” to “Uphold Our Honor” to the downright repulsive “Stay On The Job Until Every Murdering Jap Is Wiped Out!” during the Second World War.
In recent years it has transformed into “Be All You Can Be” or “Be The Best” and contemporary Army propaganda has followed this path of promoting a superior, noble, patriotic superhuman for some time now. But only when the actual horrors of war are revealed do the public think about what they so willingly endorsed and encouraged, the truth is much different than the advert.
The “Don’t Join The Army” campaign has to be one of the most detestable advertisements in recent years. The ad preys on people’s doubts about warmongering and militarism, it guilt trips people and encourages them to think twice about their gut feelings, it tries to distract us from the carnage and the sheer pointlessness of war by employing a horrid form of reverse psychology and an odiously condescending tone. All in all, the ad represents everything that is wrong with military propaganda.
After 9/11, the Iraq and Afghan wars, and the unfolding conflict in Syria, the public’s perception of the military has become quite rightly one of consternation and dissatisfaction at the whole never-ending war machine, the pretence of “liberty” and “freedom” is now fading to reveal the truth of war; profit and Imperialism. We now know all too well that warmongering and militarism only gives birth to more war and a greater need for the military.
So while members of the Royal Family are flanked by security, real troops are sent to die whilst doing the bidding of some corrupt bureaucrat or cowardly politician. If our leaders want peace like they’ve been claiming for the past decade and a half, then why not promote goodwill and amity instead of combat and warfare? If our leaders so desperately want war, maybe they should fight it themselves, and I don’t mean “fight” in the Prince Harry pantomime way. If all these sabre-rattling ministers and Princes had to genuinely fight their own battles, maybe then they would think twice about their actions, re-evaluate their foreign policy, and reconsider their relationship with other countries.
How many wars are we going to fight before the masses realise that war isn’t virtuous? If the military’s true intentions were to protect our nation and act as an example of morality and bravery, surely the last thing they should do is attack people who are unconnected to their current dispute, torture a few of them, intern some of them indefinitely, and use drones to drop bombs on their families. These are not the actions of an Army whose members are supposed to be a paradigm of courage and integrity.
The next time you see one of these propaganda campaigns, take no notice, they may dangle education, prospects, travel, and all manners of deceit to entice you in, but they fail to tell you the truth, that you are merely expendable cannon fodder, a tiny insignificant cog in the conveyor belt of colonialism. So if you want to be the governments’ attack dog, if you want to be complicit in evil and wrongdoing join the Army, but if you have self-respect, if you like to think for yourself, if you enjoy having a sane mind and functioning limbs, do what the ad says… Don’t Join The Army!" - from https://whatwentwrongwith.com/2016/02/03/what-went-wrong-with-the-dont-join-the-army-advertising-campaign/
Here’s Why You Shouldn’t Join The Military
By CARL FORSLING on January 11, 2016
To start with, you’re pretty much guaranteed to spend some length of time at the beginning being treated horribly. Very few other employees have “being screamed at for not ironing your shirt properly” as part of their new employee orientation programs.
Then, you’re almost guaranteed to be sent someplace so awful that no sane humans actually want to live there; so crazy people fight over scraps in their Mad Max-like existences, while you and your coworkers vainly try to impose some semblance of order inside the Thunderdome.
You’ll spend six months to a year there, then you’ll come home to a family that’s gotten used to being without you. By the time everything has gotten back to some semblance of normalcy, then it’s time to go back out again.
“But my recruiter told me I’d earn a skill and I’d be able to get a great job as a trucker/mechanic/journalist/dental technician.” As with so much else, your recruiter lied! Unemployment rates for veterans exceed that of the general population in similar age groups.
Even if you get a job afterward, it isn’t likely going to be that dream gig you dreamed of. Most troops end up disappointed by their wages once they’re on the outside. Studies are mixed, but many indicate that spending years in the military actually puts one behind one’s civilian peers after leaving the service.
You can pay for college with your post-9/11 G.I. Bill, but you also could’ve gotten a civilian job and started college part time at 19. Student loans suck, but a lot fewer people get shot at the financial aid office than in Afghanistan.
All this, yet still the military actually has to turn people away. All this, and yet people still fight to stay in the military.
Those people must be crazy, stupid, or both. There might be something to that. Those who joined thinking that the military was a place to cash in upon leaving the service might actually fit that category.
But, there’s an old Peace Corps slogan, “It’s the toughest job you’ll ever love.” Even for those in what might be termed the war corps, there’s a lot of truth in that. Psychological studies have found that people value experiences more than things. Many, if not most, veterans have seen and done things that virtually no amount of money would buy in the outside world. From landing in an aircraft on a pitching ship to shooting a heavy machine gun to just looking at the Milky Way from someplace without city lights for hundreds of miles, veterans have done things most others only see in movies.
More than that, though, having a sense of meaning in life and belonging to something greater than oneself is worth more than most people know. Some studies say that having meaning is even more important to well-being than what we traditionally think of as happiness. “Embrace the suck” indeed.
On balance, in a lot of ways, going into the service is actually against one’s own self-interest. Deep down, most of us knew that the whole “learn a trade” business was mostly B.S. For those who really believed that, some bitterness might be the result.
For those who didn’t join with those delusions, they’ve gotten some things that money can’t buy. Was it worth it? Maybe, maybe not. But our nation is better off for having people willing to see.